From: "Chad Martin" <chad@th...> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:45 AM Subject: [NetRep] Rulings Digest #59
My opponent has Star of High Hope (resource environment) and Gates of Morning in play.
For my first hazard I play Doors of Night. My opponent does not respond with anything.
So Doors of Night resolves. This creates a passive condition and effect of cancelling all resource environments in play. However, my opponent chooses to play a second Gates of Morning in response to this passive condition. (I know that the playing of the second Gates is legal,because of the CRF ruling that cards which cannot be duplicated can be played if currently targetted for discard). Therefore the second Gates cancels my Doors of Night's effects and the card itself, leaving one Gates of Morning and one Star of High Hope still on the table.
Is the above resolution correct?
*** No. Doors of Night reads: "Environment. All resource environment cards in play are immediately discarded, and all resource environment effects are canceled. Cannot be duplicated." When it resolves, all actions on the card are carried out in the order listed, so the Star of High Hope and Gates of Morning are discarded. Doors of Night actually has no effects that are triggered by passive conditions. -------- Same scenario as above, but my opponent chooses to respond to my playing of the Doors of Night card itself with another Gates of Morning. Gates of Morning resolves first, cancelling any hazard environments in play, but not cancelling my Doors of Night because my Doors is not actually in play yet (it hasn't resolved).
*** I am going to defer judgment on this one. The NetRep team will circle the wagons, and I'll let you know what decision is made. -------- Can a player voluntarily decide to move characters out of direct influence during the organization phase so that his general influence is exceeded? If so, at the end of the organization phase must the player: a) discard characters until his general is resolved Or b) return characters to hand until his general is resolved?
*** You may move the character(s) as you describe, but at the end of the organization phase, you would have to first return any characters played during that phase to your hand, then, if you are still over your GI, discard characters until you are legal again. -------- The rule is you can play resources that 'help with corruption checks', which IIRC led Wim to the statement that a Marvels Told can be played if it zaps a corruption card, but not to zap a To Get You Away that is holding Galadriel in order to get those MP's. Even though that Galadriel could now tap in support for a corruption check, if you happen to have a company at the rescue site. Now I am not one to doubt Wim's judgement in this... I just think it is a pretty weird definition ;-)
What is correct?
*** CRF, Turn Sequence Rulings, Free Council, etc.: Only resources that directly affect corruption checks may be played during the Free Council. This includes cards that reduce a character's corruption point total or prevent a character from being discarded.
So, To Get You Away cannot, in fact, be zapped. -------- > Can you use hero 'test' cards like Wizard's test to test a minion gold > ring? > > *** No.
This might be true for heroes (even though I think that you may play it, but the ring is just discarded by the test card and no actual test happens, as the diceroll effects on the minion ring card are blanked), but should be YES for fallen wizards (see MEWH rules insert for details)
*** I checked the MEWH rules insert, and it states that on a successful ring test, the ring special item played can be of either alignment. The insert also states that hero resources cannot target minion resources. Therefore, I have to humbly disagree with you about Fallen Wizards. -------- A few questions about when an agent taps to make creatures playable at his home site: Does this attack occur during the movement hazard phase or the site phase?
*** Movement/Hazard Phase, unless the creature is placed on guard. -------- Can multiple creatures and creatures of different types attack?
*** Yes. -------- Do these creatures count against the hazard limit?
*** Yes. -------- Can the agent teleport back to his home site when the player sees his opponent's company moving there, or to a different home site if he has multiple home sites?
*** As long as you have the available agent actions, etc., to do so, yes. -------- One played Eyes of Mandos when his deck had ONLY ONE CARD in it. What happesn?
*** The one card is drawn, it is put into that person's hand, and Eyes of Mandos is discarded. After Eyes of Mandos is resolved and discarded, the deck is considered exhausted. -------- I found a disturbing clause in the WH rule booklet which reads:
"Tournament Rules: Starting Stage Cards: When the Character Draft is used, treat the starting stage cards as if they were characters."
The WH booklet previously mentions that you must treat them as characters when they are "revealed" which makes sense. But does the above statement also mean that the starting stage resources count as part of the 10 character pool? Furthermore, does it mean that the starting stage resources are not considered part of the 30 card minimum resources needed in your play deck?
*** No and yes. -------- I have believed that these starting stage cards must be fixed for tournament decks.
*** They are. No part of your deck/sideboard/starting characters/starting resources/whatever can vary from round to round. -------- Re: Legendary Hoard If the Dragon is inverted, does that mean it no longer has any effect on play? Its special effect is gone and there's no longer an extra auto-attack at the site? *** Consider the inverted dragon to be "off to the side." This card was written before putting cards off to the side became a rule. So, yes, the at Home dragon's effects are no longer in play.
I found this answer in the CoE 46 archive. But I'd like a clarification and or justification for this. "was written before putting cards off to the side became a rule", but that off to the side has been around since Wizards because Sacrifice of form has the term. So the current ruling seems a bit off.
*** You are correct, but "off to the side" was formally defined in the ME:DM rules insert, and was used infrequently and somewhat informally before that. This card could be abusive in combonation with some dragon at home effects, so the NetRep team decided to just consider it off to the side. -------- Given that Legendary Hoard is in play with Smaug at Home: The real question is to know what to do if another player plays Smaug at Home. Is this copy put into play with the other? Is it played, and then Discarded? Having to remove a card from your deck may be a good thing for A player...
*** The ruling is that the dragon is treated off to the side, so it is in play for the purposes of uniqueness, so the play of another Smaug at Home is illegal. -------- You have 3 copies of your ringwraith in the deck (say the witch king), how are the other ringwraiths treated, are they as standard minion characters, so they count against the 10 limit for characters going into your deck, or are they treated differently?
*** Nope. They're treated like wizards. You can only have three in the deck, and one of each in your sideboard that aren't already in your deck. -------- My wife asked whether it's possible to bring in characters at their home sites if no-one is there.
e.g. Bring in a Blue Mountain Dwarf, play a faction, discard the dwarf, or another similar situation.
*** This is legal, given that your wizard/ringwraith/etc. is not in play. -------- Is tapping an Agent for Pilfer (or a sage for Marvel's Told or scout for concealment) considered part of the "cost" for declaring the play of the card?
*** CRF, Rulings by Term, Active Conditions: Annotation 5: If an action requires an entity to tap as a condition for the action's main effect, that entity must be untapped when the action is declared; else, the action may not be declared. Tap the entity at this point; this is considered synonymous with the action's declaration; i.e., it is not a separate action. When it comes time to resolve the action in its chain of effects, that entity must still be in play and tapped or the action is canceled. -------- I assume this is correct, including the fact that one must choose targets upon declaration?
*** You are correct about choosing targets. CRF, Rulings by Term, Active Conditions: Annotation 8: An action that requires a target is considered to have the active condition that the target be in play when the action is declared and when it is resolved. An action may not be declared if its target is not in play. However, dice-rolling actions may always be targeted by other actions declared later in the same chain of effects. -------- If my opponent enters a site which has text saying that the second auto-attack may be a creature from hazard player's hand, must I reveal this creature as soon as he enters site, or I can reveal the creature after the first auto-attack?
*** You reveal it when the automatic-attack comes up, which is after the first. -------- If you thought that the answer was yes, I can reveal it later, then how would this affect cards already in play like Forewarned is Forearmed?
*** For Forewarned is Forearmed, the hazard player would declare which automatic attack the resource player has to face, as usual, and if the attack chosen involves revealing a creature from the hazard player's hand, do so. -------- Old Friendship: Diplomat only. +5 to an influence check against a character...
What does "against a character" mean?
*** The bonus applies when you are trying to influence one of your opponent's characters away. -------- Re: Old Friendship: Is it possible to influence an opponent's item with that card? ... What about allies?
*** No and no. -------- Balrog can move normally to various under-deeps sites and Moria (surface site) without supporting cards right?
*** Correct. -------- Balrog can't have followers normally but can form a company with other characters under GI right?
*** Correct. -------- Re: Orc Mail You can play the same site as the minion company when they reveal it. So, if they are sent back to their site of origin, you are still at the new site, correct?
*** Correct. -------- Re: Orc Mail If you play this on a Dwarf/Hobbit company, are you able to later add non-Dwarves/Hobbits to the company without discarding the card? Does it continuously check playability?
*** You may add non-Dwarf or non-Hobbit characters to a company that has Orc Mail played on it without causing Orc Mail to be discarded. -------- Re: Orc Mail Is there any way to remove this card other than the roll stated on the card?
*** No. Why would you need to?
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