Ah, I'm going to be cleaning up some old questions here. First of all,
ancient history. We had a few questions about one company helping out
another during the site phase, namely:
My understanding is that you can do nothing during the site phase until
you have entered the site.
Let's say Taladhan is at site A, Akhorahil is at site B. Taladhan
enters site A and plays A Malady w/o Healing. Can the player then play
Akhorahil Unleashed to recycle the Malady or must he wait until it is
Akhorahil's site phase (since the unleashed card is played ON
Akhorahil)? What if the player enters site B w/Akhorahil first, then
enters site A w/Taladhan second? I am unclear how one can recycle the
Maladies to be used by Taladhan if you must play the unleashed card On
Akhorahil.
... and ...
Ancient Secrets doesn't have the same clarification as MT/VoM. So is it
possible to use AS the same way during the site phase?
... here's the official ruling:
*** Cards that affect other companies may be played during another
company's site phase, but only after the character playing such a card
has had his own site phase in which he entered.
This means that for the Malady question, Akhorahil must enter first for
A Malady without healing to be recycled with Akhorahil Unleashed during
Taladhan's site phase. Secondly, it makes Ancient Secrets playable in
the same way as Marvels Told and Voices of Malice.
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There was a gigantic discussion about the interaction of Bring Our
Curses Home and Ride Against the Enemy. The following rulings resulted
from that discussion:
First of all, Bring Our Curses Home may not be played on an attack
created by Ride Against the Enemy due to the following CRF entry: CRF,
Card Errata and Rulings, Ride Against the Enemy: Hazards have no effect
on the attack, and any resource effects that benefit the attack are
cancelled.
Other, related issues:
A) According to its playability sentance Bring Our Curses Home can be
played any creature attack and thus it can be played on a dragon Ahunt.
The NetRep has previously ruled that the attack only happens in the
designated regions.
B) You cannot target the card with an in play BOCH as it is "off to the
side" and if it is a long event it won't follow the normal discard after
two turns rule either.
C) From the METD insert, Manifestations of Dragons: If at any time an
attack from a manifestation of a unique Dragon is defeated or if the
manifestation is otherwise removed from the game: 1) All existing
manifestations in play of the same Dragon are removed from the game. 2)
No further manifestations of the same Dragon may be played. ..
So if a dragon manifestation is killed and BOCH has a manifestation of
that dragon off to the side, the Dragon on BOCH goes out of play.
D) There are some cards (resources) that will discard a creature
currently attacking or put it back into its owners hand. Examples are
Regiment of Black Crows and Riddling Talk. When successfully played,
such cards remove the creature from BOCH.
E) A long ago Brian issued this ruling: Great Secrets Buried There is
discarded if there is no item on it, to avoid cheezy plays and added
confusion due to more exceptions. This is based upon the rule for
capturing host cards. It is extended to affect all host cards that
cannot have other cards played upon them. -- Ruled by Brian in CoE
Rulings/Clarifications 11
This also applies to BOCH when the creature placed off to the side with
it is removed from play.
F) A Dragon manifestation on BOCH is still played (brought from hand to
play) only once, not each time it attacks. Thus it does not cause extra
rotations for Legendary Hoard or count again and again for Leucaruth at
Home.
G) In as far as the attack under debate is a Dragon or Drake creature
attack, all of these rulings apply equally to Foes Shall Fall, as all
relevant parts of it are worded exactly the same.
H) There is nothing stopping one from using Regiment of Black Crows on
ones own Dragon Ahunt.
I) A character played with Ride Against the Enemy is not able to be
taken as a trophy. CRF under Keyword Trophy: Characters may not be taken
as trophies.
J) If an Ahunt is on BOCH it won't cancel the at At-Home attack from the
same dragon (it's not in play, other than for the purposes of uniqueness).
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The CRF entry on Hidden Haven is not very clear. Here's a clarification:
*** If Hidden Haven is drafted as a starting stage card, your starting
site is chosen at that time, before the next card is drafted. If both
players draft Hidden Haven at the same time, then both players
immediately draft their starting sites. If both players draft the same
site, then Hideen Haven is placed out of play, but each player must
stick with their chosen starting site. Note that that particular copy
of Hidden Haven is out of play and cannot be played on any site.
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In Digest #54, I ruled:
can Leaflock be used to cancel and subsequently trash a non-minion agent
when he/she attacks? I'd wager not, but is he capable of canceling the
attack?
*** No and no, since an agent attack is not a hazard played on the company.
That should be Yes and No. He can cancel the attack, but the agent
remains in play.
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Also in Digest #54:
What about the question of whether multiple MTaDs can be played during
the organisation phase to reduce the hazard limit to zero?
*** Since the hazard limit is set at the end of the organization
phase, there is no time to play Many Turns and Doublings such that it
will affect the hazard limit, and the hazard player doesn't have the
opprotunity to play hazards in response.
Change "end of the organization phase" to "beginning of the
movement/hazard phase" above. The ruling is otherwise correct.
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Multiple companies at one haven should (if they did not do that already
at the end of the M-H phase last turn) join at the end of the
organization phase. That's the rules.
*** Incorrect. Two companies at a Haven may join, but are not
required
to do so.
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And secondly, there is no need for any of these two companies to move,
the ruling you are refering to is very specificaly geared only towards
moving companies. (Unless, off course, a non-moving company would be
still considered a moving company for rules purposes).
*** CRF, Turn Sequence Rulings, Organization Phase, Organizing Companies:
# If a company splits, all but one of the split companies must attempt
to move to a different site this turn. The company may not rejoin in the
same phase.
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I have a question on the 'maximum prowess' text on weapons. For example,
DaggerW is +1 prowess to a max. of 8. If you put 'Map to Mithril' on the
DaggerW, is the +3 affected by this limitation. Let's take Elorhir at 5
starting prowess. With a DaggerW and a Map to Mithril on the Dagger, is
Elorhir at 9 or 8 prowess. I think that it should be 9 prowess.
*** Map to Mithril does not affect any prowess maximum listed on an item.
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There was a great deal of discussion as to whether or not you could
Marvels/Voices an Ahunt (or insert your specific case here) before it
generated a Dragon attack. I just want to make sure there's been no
re-reversal on this one, since there was much confusion and contention
around it.
*** You may play Marvels Told or Voices of Malice to discard a dragon
Ahunt before it attacks.
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So if I (with GOtF in play) move from The Gem-deeps to The Under-Gates
and fail my roll to reach The Sulfur-deeps, I can still try to reach The
Under-grottos, and failing that, make (yet) another roll to try for The
Under-leas?
*** That is correct.
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I throw a Cave Drake at my opponent's Elrond moving by himself to The
Lonely Mountain. He responds with Vilya to turn the Drake into kibble.
Can I respond to Vilya with a Lure of Nature to make the corruption
check much more dangerous for the roving elf-lord?
*** Nope. Corruption cards and attacks must start a chain of effects.
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This example is similar to the one above. Lure of Nature can not be
played after Vilya(before strike sequence), because it has nothing to do
with the drake, Elrond or his ring.
*** Card relavence is subjective, and not used in determining
playability in any case.
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Radagast has to tap to discard Herb-lore, but does he become untapped
again when it resolves..?
*** Yes.
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Since the text with the healing effect is within the same paragraph as
Radagast tapping, the whole process resolves at the same time. Narya
Is the same of heros not untapping when they help Narya's Corruption
check on Gandy.
*** Incorrect. If tapping is required for an effect, the tapping
must
happen at the effect's declaration, and the entity must still be tapped
when the effect resolves. In this case, Radagast is still tapped when
the effect of Herb-lore resolves, so the effect resolves normally,
which, in part, untaps Radagast. The example you bring up about Narya
is about cards resolving without interruption, which is not an issue here.
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Whole Villages Roused - (...) Alternatively, playable on a minion
Shadow-hold or Dark-hold. The site has the automatic-attacks indicated
on the corresponding hero site card (detainment against overt companies)
but with +2 prowess.
Is this new auto-attack non-detainment against covert companies?
*** No. The attack is detainment for both overt and covert companies.
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The Balrog - according to the spoilers on council.gwaihir.net, The
Balrog receives +2 prowess when tapping to face a strike. This is not
mentioned on my copy of this card, nor can I find anything about it in
the errata. Where does this "+2"-modification come from?
Should it be
removed, or are the spoilers correct?
*** What's printed on your card is more correct than any spoiler,
taking the CRF into account, of course.
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Can you play Nenya on Galadriel to make a hero past his corruption
check, Even if the Lady of the hero are at different sites.
*** Yes.
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If a character tapping Torque of Hues to cancel an attack subsequently
fails the CC and is discarded, is the attack still cancelled, or are the
character and Torque discarded before the effects of the Torque can resolve?
*** When a list of effects on a card is resolving, they are applied in
the order printed on the card without interruption. So, in the case of
Torque of Hues, the attack would be cancelled, then the corruption check
is made. No matter what happens with the corruption check, the attack
has already been cancelled.
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I'd like to know which of the following are allowed during the strike
sequence:
1. Eat cram/play And Forth He Hastened etc to untap.
2. Eat cram/play AFHH on a character who is _not_ the target of the
strike, to allow him to tap to give +1 prowess to the target
of the
strike.
3. Eat cram/play AFHH on a character who is _not_ the target of the
strike, but not tapping him in support.
4. Test gold rings.
5. Use a spell/elven ring (except Narya...), _and_ tap some
characters/play cards in support for the corruption check on
the
spell.
6. Play Dark Tryst (and hope to draw some prowess-modifier event).
7. Tap Huntsman's Garb to take a Risky Blow to your hand, and play
Risky Blow.
8. Same as 7, but without playing the Risky Blow.
9. Modify target character's body (discard Miruvor for instance).
10. Discard a Necklace of Girion (if at border- or free-hold), and
replace it with a weapon.
If 4 is allowed:
11. Let the tapped Gandalf eat cram to untap, and then tap him to test
a ring.
And if 10 and 11 are allowed:
12. Not very likely, but could happen (I think): Let's say Gandalf is
tapped, the company has a ring, someone has the
Necklace of
Girion, and the company are at a free- or border-hold.
Can the
bearer of Necklace replace it with a cram, do some
other action
that requires a corruption check, play Pledge of
Conduct, transfer
the cram to Gandalf, let Gandalf eat it and tap to test
the
ring...?
*** You just gotta make things difficult, don't you? First, let me
throw a bunch of CRF rulings at you, all from Turn Sequence Rulings,
Movement/Hazard Phase, Combat, The Strike Sequence:
# Annotation 17: The only actions that may be declared during a strike
sequence are those outlined in Annotation 18.
# Annotation 18: When a defending player chooses to resolve a strike
against a particular character, the only actions that may be taken by
either player until the strike dice-roll is made are the following:
playing hazard cards that affect the strike, the attacker may decide to
use any or all of his remaining -1 modifications due to strikes in
excess of the company's size, a target untapped character may take a -3
modification so that he will not automatically tap, and the defending
character may play resource cards that affect the strike. An action that
has the condition that a target character tap, but which otherwise has
an effect not outlined here, may not be declared at this point. This is
true even if the recipient of the strike would be the target character
tapping and thus receive -1 to his prowess.
# Interpret "may play resource cards that affect the strike" in
annotation 18 as "may initiate resource / character effects that affect
the strike".
# Getting rid of an event that boosts the strike's prowess is affecting
the strike, as per annotation 18.
# There is time between the strike sequences to take actions that are
otherwise legal.
Given that last ruling, everything you listed can happen between
strikes. During a particular strike, however, only 1, 5 if it affects
the prowess of the character facing the strike, and 10 if it affects the
prowess of the character facing the strike, are allowed, per Annotation
18. Everything else, at best, will eventually affect the strike, but
does not have an effect in and of itself, and is therefore illegal.
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But your statement above should imply the opposite - since Gandalf's
cc is a dice-rolling event, you're allowed to play cards (and I
suppose tapping characters is sort of the same thing as playing cards
here) to modify it. Not _before_ Narya resolved, but before the cc
resolves, which happens _after_ the untapping effect of Narya. Right?
*** Wrong. Since the CC of Narya is declared at some point, you may
tap in response to the declaration, but the character is no longer
tapped by the time the CC is resolved. Similarly, you can play cards in
response to the declaration of a dice rolling event, and as long as they
are still valid when the die roll is resolved, it affects the die roll.
The problem is that Narya untaps the characters between the
declaration of the CC and the resolution.
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The Card of the Day archives on The Balrog of Moria states:
"It basically restricts the movement of Galadriel while she's in play.
If Galadriel is not in Lorien at the time of playing this card then
Lorien becomes a free-hold instead of a haven. I believe this is
permanent until Balrog is discarded ". This doesn't sound right to me.
It also doesn't feel right that the fear of The Balrog of Moria being
played would resrict a character's movement like that.
There is also a clarification published in the DM Player Guide that
states this effect is not used if Galadriel is out of play, even if she
is eliminated. If her "spirit" going back to Lorien negates the effect
surely her turning up there in person should also?
*** If at any time the Balrog of Moria is in play and Galadriel is at
Lorien, then Lorien is a Haven. If at any time the Balrog of Moria and
Galadriel are in play and Galadriel is not at Lorien, Lorien is a Free
Hold. If at any time the Balrog of Moria is in play and Galadriel is
not in play, Lorien is a Haven. The site type of Lorien when the Balrog
of Moria and Galadriel are in play can change at any time based on the
location of Galadriel. I hope that's explicit enough.
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I was just wondering firstly for the cards that require that you have a
protected wizardhaven, do Isengard, The White Towers and Rhosgobel count
as already protected?
*** Only Rhosgobel is a protected wizardhaven as printed on the card.
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If not is there a way to protect these havens?
*** The Fortress of Isen, Fortress of the Towers, Wizard's Trove
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Next besides cards like Mischief in a Mean way, is there any other way
to garner new wizardhavens?
*** Hidden Haven, Chambers in the Royal Court
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Can Dragons Blood be revealed as a on guard card?
*** No.
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Bert & Co. What means "keyed to the same site path" - I
assume, it
refers to the companies site path?!
What means "after"? William or Tom have to be played in the same
turn
or in any later turn? And finally: When do you have to discard all
non-special items? I think, it happpens before the body chekc, but I
couldn't find the appropriate rule.
*** It refers to the company's site path. The attacks must happen in
the same turn. CRF, Turn Sequence Rulings, Movement/Hazard Phase,
Combat, The Strike Sequence:
# Annotation 19: Following each successful strike or failed strike, a
body check must be rolled (unless the failed strike has no body).
However, if the strike calls for any special actions to follow it (e.g.,
a character wounded by William may be required to discard his items),
these special actions are resolved before the body check. The body check
is the first declared action in a nested chain of effects that
immediately follows the strike dice-roll and special actions resulting
from the strike. Other actions may be declared in response to a body
check, in the same chain of effects, but these are limited to those
actions that directly affect the body check dice-roll. E.G., Tookish
Blood could not be declared in response to the body check caused by
Giant Spiders wounding a Hobbit. No action may be declared in response
to a special action resulting from a strike unless the special action is
a dice-rolling action, i.e., a special action is generally considered
synonymous with the strike dice-roll. If the special action is a
dice-rolling action, an action may be declared in response to it if the
action directly affects the dice-roll.
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BTW, a related issue: some months ago, someone pointed out the
difference between Spells of the Barrow-wight (playable on a strike)
and Flies and Spiders (by some weird reason, which IMHO probably is
due to a simple typo, playable on an attack). This would mean that
Spells of the Barrow-wight is not playable on guard, right? And Flies
and Spiders is playable on guard?
*** That's correct.
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Can a Fallen-Wiz use "Sacrifice of Form"?
*** Yes.
Chad Martin
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Official Council of Elrond NetRep
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