From: Chad Martin <chad@t...>
Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 2:19 am
Subject: [NetRep] Rulings Digest #22

In regards to all the questions about timing of playing and cancelling attacks
this month:

* Any card that has the potential to immediately create an attack is considered
an attack
for purposes of interpreting CRF Annotation 15.

* There is time before an attack to do things that are otherwise legal (e.g.
cancel the
attack).

Annotation 15: An attack must be the first declared action in a chain of
effect, i.e., a
creature card may not be played in response to another card in the same chain
of effects.

This ruling allows mulitple chains for the cancellation of an attack, and
disallows cards
like Tidings of Bold Spies to be played in response to another effect or card.
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>>Why are hero players allowed to include a copy of each of the Balrog sites
>>(for purposes of hazards like Chance of Being Lost) but not regular minion
>>sites?
>>Why are minion players allowed to include a copy of each of the Balrog sites
>>(for purposes of hazards like Chance of Being Lost) but not hero sites?
>
>*** For both of these, the reasoning is that there are no hero or minion
equivalents to
>certain Balrog sites. There are hero and minion versions of all the sites
before ME:BA.

Correct, but the question was, why would it be necessary to include versions
of those sites if you can't include minion/hero versions of other sites.

*** For hazards such as Chance of Being Lost. I guess we're on different
wavelengths
here, so maybe you should try stating your question differently or something.
It seems
pretty obvious to me.

Am I correct in saying that because of this the Balrog's Companies cannot
move to Urlutsu Nurn?

*** Yes, you are correct.

I am not understanding your reasoning here. The CRF seems to back up my
interpretation, as the card says, > "Discard this card when the site is
discarded or > returned to its location deck. It cannot be discarded >
otherwise..." So the CRF says removing the site of origin is the last action
in the M/H phase, at that time it will trigger the discard if
discarded/returned clause on Chambers.

*** I was trying to find a CRF ruling to justify the discard clause on
Chambers in the
Royal Court. My reasoning is that if the discard of a site is the last action
to occur in
a M/H phase, then Chambers would have to be discarded before that, leaving the
site as a
Free-hold to be dealt with as such at the end of the M/H phase.
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- Can Mallorn be used by a FW ?

*** Yes, but the Fallen Wizard will not gain the +1 MPs for any hobbit
factions.

- Last time I was asking About broke the ring at tournament with an FW was
meaning to play
new ring-lord and have posibilities against other players to win, as long as I
tried to
play noted very slow to do it, Wizard can broke it faster, or just my deck is
slow, (I
tried a lot of decks, but all was slow comparing to the wizard deck).

*** OK, in that case, I think Travis Took's answers were correct.

-If I play So you have come back on an FW player and his characters with mind 5
goes to
mind 6 did the FW have to discard the character involved ?

*** No. This is in the CRF, Rulings by Term, Fallen-wizard

- Open to the summons can be played on a FW deck.

*** Yes, Fallen-Wizards can include Open to the Summons in their decks, and
play it legally.

- if someone is trying to influence a character can i use a friend or three
against the
intent. (an so what about new friendship and old friendship ?)

*** No, you may not play resources on your opponent's turn outside of Company
vs. Company
Combat.
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An erratum to Rulings Digest #21:

2) A Panoply of Wings:
Playable at any tapped or untapped non-Haven, non-Shadow-hold, non-Dark-hold
site in a Wilderness [w] if the influence check is greater than 11.
Standard Modifications: if Radagast is your Wizard (+3). Discard this
faction to make information playable at such a site. "'Tell them to bring
news of anything that bears on this matter...'"-LotRII

The +3 is applied independently of who is making the influence attempt or
only when radagast is making the attempt?

*** Any one of your characters get +3 if you've declared yourself as Fallen
Radagast,
even if your opponent has revealed his Fallen Radagast, or if you have revealed
your hero
Radagast.
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If i have Glorfindel II and I play him with 3 thrall of the voice as initial
character or
also play him from my hand is that valid ?

*** No, Thrall of the Voice requires that the character has at most 6 mind.
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If you are playing a minion deck and the company moved it to Bara Dur and
enters the site,
Will you win the game at this point or do you have to store it first?

*** You need not enter the site. You just have to be "at" the site with the
One Ring,
which is at the beginning of that company's site phase.
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The rules of }White hand at least the spanish ones states that no card that
boosts a faction MP can be played, so why can i play mañllorn sorry but i
dont understand.

*** The CRF, Rulings by Term, Fallen-wizard reads:

* None of a Fallen-wizards MPs may be modified by non-stage resources

There is nothing in the English rules or in the CRF preventing a Fallen-wizard
from
playing Mallorn.
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Hmm - where can I find Rulings Digests 1-19?

Also,
I think this may have been asked before, but does using Hour of Need to
bring in a faction force you to tap the site you're at?

Or the site where the faction is normally played?

Both the card and the CRF are silent on these rather obvious questions,
and I had always thought the answer to both was no, for that very
reason (if it isn't there, it isn't there...).

Or perhaps there is another clause somewhere I'm overlooking?

*** Andrew Sitte provided this answer, which is correct:

Rulings Digests 1-19 can be found at the Dutch Council
page:
http://www.math.utwente.nl/~timco/council/english/index.html
Check the Rules section, all the way at the bottom.

Hour of Need and Old Road tap the site they're played
at, not the faction's site. This can be found in one
of the Rules Digests (not sure which one) as well as
one of the old rules digests (Van Norton's) on that
same page. This follows the basic rule of 'playing an
item, ally or faction taps the site'. The cards would
need a special clause to keep the site untapped, not
the other way around.

Chad Martin
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