CoE weekly Rulings/Clarifications 18

1. If someone attacks you with a mixed race company, do you have to use a separate cancel card for each minion or hero attacking you by race type? Of course, this is in leiu of a Concealment or A Nice Place to Hide, etc. How does this work out?

2. If Balance of Things is in play, are the cc's from Covetous Thoughts modified by the original cp of the item or the present (balance induced) cp of the item?

3. Can you use cards such as A Friend or Three to modify the influence roll for Flatter a Foe?

4. a) Can you play two cancellers vs. a mixed race company attacking you in CVCC?

b) Can you use Flatter a Foe if all the races are contained in the company?

5. Since Despair of the Heart's corruption check is done during the combat phase and allies are considered characters only during combat, could they tap in support only for that particular occasion?

6. If you fail the roll required to move to an Under-Deeps site, does that count as a movement/hazard phase since with Gangways, you can try to move to a different site?

Example: At the Undergates, a player rolls snake eyes to move to the Under-grottos. He then wants to try (using the Gangway ability) to move to the Under-leas. Does he subtract 1 from the roll for the failed move, or does that failed move count?

Gangways states: "...Subtract the number of COMPLETE movement/hazard phases the company has taken so far this turn from its UNder-deeps movement roll..."

Does a failed move count as a COMPLETE m/h phase?

7. Let's say Beorn (B) and Barliman Butterbur (BB) form a company and have both been tapped, they both carry Cram.

A Slayer attacks B (start of chain of effects) in response he eats his cram to untap. He faces a strike and gets wounded.

a) Now, one of the questions. May BB eat his cram to untap so he can tap to cancel the attack? I guess not, since this second attack does not start a new chain of effects (if I interpret the amendment to annotation 24 correctly, otherwise this amendment seems useless) and his action of eating the Cram does not directly cancel a strike. He should have been wise enough to eat at declaration. (But well, he's not a sage.) Or would this fall in the category ``There is time between the strike sequences to take actions that are otherwise legal.'' (CRF 15; Strike Sequence)? If so then this seems to contradict (24 + its amendment). And if not, why is this remark there?

b) So for cards with mutliple attacks (e.g. Breach the Hold) it means that the Balrog can not play any untap cards between the start of the first attack and his tapping after all of the attacks?

c) When does the Strike Sequence exactly start, so what is the last moment that B and BB could start eating?

d) So the last time they could start eating is before the characters are assigned their strike(s) from the attack? Slayer is played (in responce they can eat)

e) Strikes are assigned (can they still eat? Maybe hoping that BB would be slaughtered B wanted to save his Cram)

f) First strike is resolved (from this point on the're too late)

g) Anyway, it seems the Troll-trio trick of the Challenge deck tips is not legal. (Bert, Tom and William are attacked. Bert faces a strike and taps, then Tom faces a strike, but first taps to untap Bert,...)

8. If I initiate CvCC on a company that's completely tapped out, can my opponent use Cram to untap a scout, then cancel the attack with Concealment? My guess is no, since that would require two Chains of Effects, for which there isn't time before combat happens.

9. a) Do they have a minion version of Long Bottom Leaf? I think there is one card that allows you to bring in two resources but you have to have a Ringwraith.

b) How many and what cards should you take if you want to play as Sauron?

10. a) Player A used "Concealment" and tapped a scout. Player B used "Many Sorrows" or "Serching Eye" to cancel "Concealment" Q: Is the scout tapped at last?

b) and how about escape?

c) Player A used "Concealment" and tapped a hobbit scout. Player B used "Many Sorrws" or Serching Eye" to cancel "Concealment" Player A used "Halfling Strength" to untap the hobbit. Player A used another "Concealment" and tapped the hobbit to cancel the atack. Is this chain OK?

11. Counterfeit says that the Orc is a Half-Orc for all purposes. Does this over-ride the MEWH ruling that Half-Orcs are such for company composition (overt vs covert) and are Orcs for all other purposes?

I am not sure why the specification by Counterfeit that "The Orc is considered to be a Half-orc for all purposes." If the MEWH ruling overrides this, then a simple "The Orc is considered to be a Half-Orc should have sufficed.

12. Here is a Snake! reads:

Playable on a company during its movement/hazard phase after cards have been drawn. Opponent may reveal to you any number of hazards from his hand. He may only play hazards he revealed to you (including on-guard cards) for the remainder of target company's movement/hazard phase. Alternatively, a face-down agent is tapped and revealed.

Since I can play this card any time during a movement hazard phase (as long as it's after cards have been drawn), can I play it in response to the play of a hazard?

Here's the trick I'm after: If my opponent plays a card that I know is either unique or the last copy of such in his deck, I would want to play this card in response. Since his hazard isn't technically in his hand at the time, he can't reveal it to me. Here is a Snake! resolves first, which means that since that card wasn't revealed, it is now an illegal play upon it's resolution, and is returned to his hand, and cannot be played during that turn on that company.

Does this wash?

13. Dain II is listed as having +1 DI vs Men and Man Factions. Does that also work against Man HAZARDS? I mean, technically they're Men...If I Flatter A Foe against a Man, will Dain's bonus be +5 or +6?

[Thanks to Wim Heemskerk for his answers to question 14]

14. I have a bade to rule, my nazgul and 21 points worth of minds out. My nazgul moves, when is the bade to rule discarded? in the organization phase, prior to the movement (so I'll have to return some character to my hand) or during the M/H phase?

If the latter is the case I'll have -1 G.I. free until next organization phase, when I can play another bade to rule thus avoiding to return any character to my hand. Would this play be correct?

15. Opponent is holding mouth of sauron and foo nasty hazard. They play foo nasty hazard, say a river, which is now in the discard pile. they play mouth of sauron and i respond with Here is a Snake. The nasty hazard is still in the discard pile, so they can't play it against me a second time, correct? They can still fish it to their hand and save it for another company or next turn though.

Similarly, responding with HIaS to them tapping uvatha would fizzle uvatha, no?

16. Are multiple Threats or Musters cumulative against the same influence attempt?

[Thanks to Chad Martin for his answers to questions 17 and 18]

17. If Firiel is by herself when she dies, can she freeze her own flesh, or does someone else have to freeze it for her?

18. Can I play Freeze the Flesh during my opponent's turn if one of my characters dies during CvCC?

19. Can any misc MP card be stored with Wizard's Trove, even if the card cannot normally be stored at all (e.g. Faithless Steward)? How about storing cards whose conditions are not yet met (uninverted Padding Feet, Fate of the Ithil- stone...) - worth full MP?

20. Is Paths of the Dead playable at any site, by any company, for no effect?