Sly Southerner wrote:I think it would be better if you had stated your positions clearly at the start of the thread rather than playing leaving others to try to work out what you are saying. IMHO players such as Marcos seeking rules clarifications are only going to get more confused and turned off the game by this type of thread which has unfortunately become increasingly common on this forum.
1) Both Konrad and I did state our positions clearly at the start of the thread;
2) Darksatin quoted a ruling, but the ruling was based on a flawed assumption, and pointing this out is only a natural response;
3) This forum is for getting unofficial
answers to rules questions, which means some answers are going to contradict;
4) When confusion arises because of differing views on a rules question, that's when it gets forwarded to the NetRep team, which Konrad has already done;
5) If people aren't allowed to express a rules interpretation and even make points in its defense, then what is the point of this forum?
The Dream Cards and Optional Rules Forums are for discussing what we think the rules ought to be.
This forum is for defining what the rules are and discussing those "gray areas" where confusion is naturally going to arise.
In this case, confusion stems from the CoE ruling which assumes that detainment attacks are never defeated. Konrad has shown that there is no basis for such an assumption. Detainment attacks from creatures
are never defeated.
CoE 103 wrote:The rules book only references creature attacks when explaining defeating an attack.
*** Non-creature attacks are defeated in the same way that creature
attacks are defeated. Furthermore, detainment attacks can wound neither
the attacker nor the defender.
MELE Rules, Again wrote:A Wizard player does not receive kill marshalling points for defeating a creature with an * next to its marshalling points or for defeating a detainment attack.
The rules expressly allow defeating a detainment attack and only forbid defeating detainment attacks from creatures. Therefore, non-creature detainment attacks can be defeated according to CoE 103. Stay Her Appetite is a non-creature detainment attack, and can therefore be defeated.
Hopefully this long and boring post will clear up any lingering confusion. I do ask all readers to forgive my sense of humor, especially when I denote such with a great big smiley face.
P.S. Marcos and I play regularly. If he's going to get turned off of the game, it's going to be from a lack of challenging opponents.